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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 2:56 AM

    • Wes Torain
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    Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    I've edited a great looking 20 minute 32GB QuickTime .mov video, but when I send to DVD by Sonic and burn a DVD, I lose quality.  High need a high quality master in order to make multiple duplications. 

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 3:16 AM In reply to

    • Camilo
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    How did you take it into Avid DVD?  Did u use a QT reference file and let Avid DVD do the encoding or did you try and encode it first?  If you tried to encode it first, you should just import a QT reference file into Avid DV D and let it encode.

    On another possibility are you working with HD or SD footage?  You indicate your file is 32 GB in size.  A DVD can only hold 4.7 GB of data, so if you are having to reduce the file size down that much, then that would definately be your problem.  If you want to maintain the HD quality, if that is what you are using, you should be writing to a BluRay disk to maintain the quality.

    I hope some of this helps and makes sense...

    Good Luck to you!

     

     

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 5:36 AM In reply to

    • Wes Torain
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    I shot and edited in 1080 30P.  I exported as a QT.mov not a reference.  I took in the large 32GB file into Sonic and burned to DVD.  Yes I'm working with HD footage and I realize the quality will not be the same as the master, but I've done this before and gotten much better than what I'm getting now.  It just seems something has changed.

    Thank you,

    Wes Torain

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 5:42 AM In reply to

    • Sylvain P
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    You can do a video mixdown of your sequence in DHxHD145, then export a QT Ref with the video mixdown on a duplicated sequence.

     

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 7:06 AM In reply to

    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    Never found Media Composers downconvert to be the best so for quality work would always output an HD size file and convert externally. We have aDigitial Rapids that does a good job and Adobes Media ENcoder is nice as well.

    But the best is laying of to HDCAM and then using the decks SD output and capturing into a hardware mpeg encoder.

    But if limited to using just Media Composer and it's tools I'd go the video mixdown to SD (say 2:1) and then file export and squeeze to MPEG at a flavour Avid DVD accprts without re-encoding.

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 8:04 AM In reply to

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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    Pat Horridge:
    Never found Media Composers downconvert to be the best so for quality work would lways output an HD size file and convert externally. We have aDigitial Rapids that does a good job and Adobes Media ENcoder is nice as well.
    I think that Pat is being very tactful here.  Avid's downconvert has obviously been designed for speed so that it can be played realtime while you're editing.  For a quality playout or export it's pretty disgusting.  Even Squeeze does a better job of scaling.  The last major SD downsize that I did I used After Effects for.

    (I think I can feel a feature request coming on.)

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 9:19 AM In reply to

    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    It doesn't matter whatever you do or how you export it from MC or another NLE to a converter.

    HD and SD can't be compared. If you look one time at a good lighted HD you can't

    lay your eyes on SD anymore. Live with it.

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 9:52 AM In reply to

    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    jwrl:

    Pat Horridge:
    Never found Media Composers downconvert to be the best so for quality work would lways output an HD size file and convert externally. We have aDigitial Rapids that does a good job and Adobes Media ENcoder is nice as well.
    I think that Pat is being very tactful here.  Avid's downconvert has obviously been designed for speed so that it can be played realtime while you're editing.  For a quality playout or export it's pretty disgusting.  Even Squeeze does a better job of scaling.  The last major SD downsize that I did I used After Effects for.

    (I think I can feel a feature request coming on.)

     Me tactful? I must be lossing my grip...

    Yes it's great that Avid has a fast up and down converter. Would be great for an option to switch it into a quality rather than speed mode so it could be more useful.

     

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 12:56 PM In reply to

    • Josh Short
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    Try to check your SD transcoding preferences in your project settings in Avid DVD.

    File>Project Settings...>SD Transcoding tab>Superior Quality VBR (8000kbps video; PCM audio)

    The default in mine is set to High Quality CBR and whenever I forget to switch the setting it looks bad (over exposed, jittery, etc.).

    I also usually export a QT reference or take my high quality MPEGs from either Squeeze or Digital Rapids into Avid DVD.

    Hope this helps!

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 7:47 PM In reply to

    • Wes Torain
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    I'll try the video mixdown and export as a QT Ref and compare.  Thanks

     

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 7:49 PM In reply to

    • Wes Torain
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    thanks, I will do a few tests and see how it turns out

     

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 7:51 PM In reply to

    • Wes Torain
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    My next question was going to be whether Squeeze would do a better job maintaining good quality...but seems I might already have the answer in your reply.

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 7:58 PM In reply to

    • Wes Torain
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    George Angeludis:

    It doesn't matter whatever you do or how you export it from MC or another NLE to a converter.

    HD and SD can't be compared. If you look one time at a good lighted HD you can't

    lay your eyes on SD anymore. Live with it.

    That part I get.  I am well aware that there is no comparison between HD and SD...but there is a lot of HQ (High Quality) between SD and HD.  And since there is no industry standard, and so many formats and settings to choose from, my goal is simply to get the best quality I can on a standard DVD.

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  • Tue, Jan 24 2012 8:18 PM In reply to

    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    In that case I went some times from the QT to TMPGEnc for mpeg2 creation.

    I warned everyone that the final (while it was fine for SD) wouldn't have anything to do

    with what they saw before.

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  • Mon, Jan 30 2012 7:01 PM In reply to

    • Sylvain P
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    Re: Poor Quality in DVD by Sonic using Media Composer 5.5.2

    Me, I like the DVD that are output from a HD Avid DVD project.

    As I said, I do a video mixdown in DNxHD145, then export a QTRef from the timeline and do everything in HD, including the menus, in Avid DVD.

    Finally, I create my DVD from the HD project. Yes, it's longer to encode, but the quality is great.

     

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