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  • Fri, Jul 5 2013 11:04 AM

    MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    After modifying and resaving a title created in MC 6 the white levels change from 235 to 255.

    Anyone else seeing this?

    New Title; new 1080psf Yuv project; 255 levels on a white title.

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 4:50 PM In reply to

    • Brickwad
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    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    Try Option dragging the color effect onto the title in the timeline.  This should correct the levels to 16-235.

     

    Good luck!

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 5:24 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    Thanks for responding Andy, but is are you, or anyone else,  seeing this not to be the case?

    A white title or graphic created in the title tool of MC 7 has an illegal level of 255, i.e. full swing.

    Is this a new feature or a bug?

     

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 9:53 PM In reply to

    • Brickwad
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    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    I'm not currently working on version 7, but did you check your settings? I think it's under media creation. You can choose 0-255, or 16-235. Other than that, I can't think of a thing. 

    Good luck!

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 10:09 PM In reply to

    • tho_wi
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    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    David Yardley:
    A white title or graphic created in the title tool of MC 7 has an illegal level of 255, i.e. full swing.

    Is this a new feature or a bug?

    Since there is a setting "safe colors" in the Title Tool (in the menu "Object") I would guess it's a bug ... because even when you enable "safe colors" a white title shows RGB 255|255|255.

    Brickwad:
    I'm not currently working on version 7, but did you check your settings? I think it's under media creation. You can choose 0-255, or 16-235. Other than that, I can't think of a thing.
    hups?!? I don't have such a setting in "Media Creation" ... never seen it... ?

     

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 10:28 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    Quick test Standard def project

    Import settings to 601 709 TT Black background correct Title tool White 255 and Title tool Black 0

    Import settings RGB  TT black background 32, TT with (white swatch set at 235) is 235. (black swatch set at 16) is 16.  Title tools white comes in @ 255 and TT black is comes in as 0

  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 10:28 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    Thanks, that's two OPs that heve seen this new "feature."
    Anyone else? Or is everyone else now using Titlerpro?

    The strange thing is if you look at the same titles in earlier versions like MC5.5.3.7 (unrendered) they are back to legal.

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 10:30 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    Andrew,

    I am refering to titles created in the title tool, not imports.

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 10:36 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    David Yardley:
    I am refering to titles created in the title tool
    So am I. All tests where created in TT and saved back to MC Source window and used from there.

    The suggestion of Media Creation made me wonder if Import settings (as Title Tool is I believe since MC6 is separate and outside MC) would make a difference

  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 10:51 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    AndrewAction:
    The suggestion of Media Creation made me wonder if Import settings (as Title Tool is I believe since MC6 is separate and outside MC) would make a difference

    Thanks Andrew, interesting idea.

    Changed the import settings and tried also in an SD project but it had no effect here. Still at 255.

    Wierd.

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 10:57 PM In reply to

    • tho_wi
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    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    David Yardley:
    AndrewAction:
    The suggestion of Media Creation made me wonder if Import settings (as Title Tool is I believe since MC6 is separate and outside MC) would make a difference

    Thanks Andrew, interesting idea.

    Changed the import settings (...) but it had no effect here. Still at 255.

    the same here.

    Even if ... my import settings are always set to "Rec709" (= "no remapping")... Either I create/edit graphics in Photoshop with appropriate levels... or I do import "Rec.709" and apply a curve in MC to force render it at 16bit (rather than remapping in 8bit or 10bit on import). Therefore I'd prefer not change the import settings back and forth just to create some titles ...

     

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  • Sat, Jul 6 2013 11:02 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    David Yardley:
    Still at 255.
    It's default White was here as well. I had to make white at RGB 235 for it to work.  I agree it is weirdly different.

    Unless Avid confirm it is a "new feature" or bug I am going to have to check graphics from TT, Marquee and Avid FX every time I make one.Hmm

  • Sun, Jul 7 2013 2:50 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    I think three people have now confirmed that the title tool, after 20 years of legal white is producing full swing white as a default in Media Composer 7.0 on a Mac.

    Please can someone escalate this as a bug, or explain it as a feature.

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  • Sun, Jul 7 2013 5:04 PM In reply to

    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    I will escalate this today. (I tested on a qualified PC)

  • Tue, Jul 9 2013 8:30 PM In reply to

    • Mark Renz
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    Re: MC 7 Titles: Illegal levels

    Has this been escalated for 6.5.3 as well? I just upgraded to 6.5.3 today and see fill swing titles.

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