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  • Wed, Jun 22 2016 2:21 AM

    • Jayson
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    The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    I was home nerding out about shooting and editing with a family member at my mom's birthday party. It turned out we both use Avid MC on our shows. He works for a cable network news program and I edit a syndicated cable show.

    I unloaded all the troubles I've had with Avid lately and really almost since I switched to it two years ago. (Granted some of those problems were solved by learning curves and reluctantly accepting that all footage must be transcoded but now I'm just dealing with bugs). These are the headaches I'm dealing with in the the current point releases of Avid MC:

    8.5.3 - After a few days a Memory Leak opens up and it makes exports stall out and the only way to get the timeline to export out is to reinstall 8.4.5

    8.4.5 - After about a week of usage the timeline bogs down eventually slows to a crawl so every move of the timebar stalls the system for 5 to 15 seconds. Only way to fix is to install 8.5.3 and work on the project till the memory leak rears it's ugly head then reinstall 8.4.5 to export.

    8.2.8 (or whatever is the latest) - Error on install refuses to complete installation so haven't been able to use it.

    I told him that I'm thinking of moving my show back to premiere because Avid is next to unusable after a few days of editing. And I'm spending almost half my time tending to Avid problems instead of editing.

    He was surprised to hear I was having so much trouble. And I said, "you don't have these kinds of problems on your Avid edit bays?" He said occassionally but not to the extent I was describing. And I said how long have your bays been up and running their copy of Avid? 

    And he said their IT department does a complete wipe and reinstall of the OS, Avid and all plugins every night on all 8 bays. And I was like wait what?!

    Is this really how Avid is supposed to work that it needs to be reinstalled every night? And not just Avid but the entire OS. In my experience that would probably fix my problems but I'm a two man band and don't have a tech team to do this nor do I want to spend the extra 90 minutes a day doing it when I've already added so much time to my workflow with transcodes and mixdowns being added which I didn't need when I was on premiere. 

    Has Avid code grown so unstable that's it's become this late game Jenga statue that needs all the help it can get to stand up straight these days? It feels that way to me.

    And I really like Avid, I think you have such great people giving the best customer support available for any editing software out there right now. That's why I've hung in so long. But after hearing that reinstalling the entire os and all programs nightly is how corporate news keeps their avid bays stable, I've decided to start experimenting with moving my show back to premiere. Because I just don't have the time or inclination to add one more time hungry step to my workflow just to stay on Avid. 

    How many people work for companies who's policy it is to do this nightly Avid bay wipe? This was a subdivision of NBC that my family member worked for.

    The one ray of light I'm hanging on to is that after talking to someone that had talked to some Avid engineers, they said that the engineers believe Avid 8.6 is going to be a premiere killer. I don't know what it means or what features or bug fixes are in the pipeline but I guess the engineers really feel like they have something exciting in store for us with 8.6.

    I hope so I was ecstatic after using 8.5 for a few days but seemed like there were performance regressions in the following point releases and that the memory cache didn't work as well in the following point releases and then the memory leak became an issue. I was expecting new point releases by the time I got back from my trip yesterday since they seem a bit overdue especially when the memory leak in 8.5 seems to be pretty widespread. But got home last night, checked the forums 1st thing and still no new point releases. And got the notice today that the new premiere releases are out. So downloading those now. Believe me I'm no adobe fan boy. Their customer support was the worst when I used it and premiere had just as many bugs at the time. But right now I'd rather have some new problems than keep grinding away dealing with the current Avid point release problems. 

     

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  • Wed, Jun 22 2016 3:51 AM In reply to

    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    Jayson:
    Is this really how Avid is supposed to work that it needs to be reinstalled every night? And not just Avid but the entire OS.
    I have never known of anyone considering this let alone doing it. Here the OS (admittedly Windows 7 SP1) has not be reinstalled since the computer was new (30 months ago)  MC gets uninstalled and reinstalled on Windows with each new version but has never needed to reinstall in between those times.

    I have MC 5.5.5 on a Mac Pro here. The OS has not been reinstalled in 4 years. MC 5.5.5 was first and last installed in May 2014.  A later Mac Pro here has had 7.0.4.3 on it since early March 2015 with the same OS.

    Do you update or completely reinstall each newer Mac OS versions?

  • Wed, Jun 22 2016 7:23 AM In reply to

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    I've been on Yosemite ever since I switched to Avid a year and a half ago. Although I was on a PC for the first few months, had a Lenovo Laptop workstation and a Lenovo desktop workstation. I ended up selling my PC's and switching to Macs in hope of more stable performance as I was seeing some problems on the 2 pcs.

    Then had a mac pro trash can with yosemite before switching to two Yosemite Imacs due to long h264 render times with the Mac Pro due to the lack of quick sync in its server cpu's.

    In Hindsight the Lenovo Laptop seemed to be the most stable of all the 5 configurations I've had but still it had it's share of random crashes. And I only worked on it for about six weeks or so before going Mac hoping that the limited hardware options mac offers would ensure less bugginess. This has not been the case although for periods of time over the last year or so MC has been okay it just seems the latest builds are causing me the most problems.

    I've been on 8.0+ ever since my most recent switch and it seems everyone that says they have solid systems is using Avid's pre 8.0 builds. I used to use MC 3.0 and 4.0 back in the day when I was just playing around making videos with Avid and don't remember having so many problems but then again they were short videos not a 22 minute show.

    I didn't realize I could run 7.0.x on Yosemite but just checked the compatibility matrix and looks like I can. But at this point I'm pretty burnt out on my avid experience lately and if I remember correctly AMA pre 8.0 was not great. And it's not that great in 8.x (AVCHD or any long gop non optimized video or a video with a non matching framerate causes Avid to stutter/freeze while neither of those situations is a problem in premiere)

    And yeah I've done about 4 clean installs of the OS and all programs in the year and a quarter I've had the Imacs. Most recently maybe 2 months ago. And that was a complete wipe of my drive and install of the latest compatible Yosemite at the time. Maybe if I could get 8.2.x to install I wouldn't be running into so many problems. But for whatever reason it won't install (I did a full unistall of Avid 8.5 and 8.4) and I'm not wanting to do another clean wipe and reinstall of everything just to find out there's still a problem in 8.2.x or that it still won't install.

    It seems to me that 8.x should be labeled as Beta software since the consesus seems to be that 7 is really the latest reliable version. But there's so may 8.x features I can't imagine editing without. Not being able to search my bin or my timeline being the first two that come to mind, I'm sure there's 10 others I'm not thinking of.

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  • Wed, Jun 22 2016 1:52 PM In reply to

    • Isaac T.
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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    Hey Jayson,

    Glad you're putting this out there. I think it's the most objective post I've read on the subject.

    In answer to your topic, here's my recipe toward creating the most stable Media Composer environment:

    1. Research which version of Media Composer you want to use.
    • Each version has a README, WHAT'S NEW, and (usually) a pinned post about it in the Community.
    • You can usually tell which version is the most / least stable by forum comments.
    • If you're looking to update MC, look for the versions labeled "major bugfixes" or have the least negative comments about it. (I don't hear too many people talking trash about 8.3.1 or 8.4.4, if deployed properly.)

    2. Based on that, make sure you're using qualified hardware and a qualified version of your computer's operating system. 

    3. If you're using an audio/video monitoring solution (e.g. a breakout box), make sure a driver's available for your OS / MC combo.

    4. If all of those line up, OS version + MC version + BOB driver version, you should be ready to roll.

     

    Here's the problem with all that:

    1. Everyone's situation is different. By "situation", I mean:
    a.

    Jayson:
    It turned out we both use Avid MC on our shows. He works for a cable network news program and I edit a syndicated cable show.
     

    Cable news network vs. syndicated cable show. Totally different working circumstances.

    They probably have an "Avid workstation image" ready to clone every night over a 10Gb Ethernet or fiber channel network. They're probably using shared storage where both projects and media reside. They probably have a zero tolerance policy on downtime since, you know, they're the news.

    In that environment, the MC workstations are like thin clients. If all they need is Media Composer / Newscutter locally and all the projects and media are on the network, yeah, wiping out every edit bay every night might make sense. But it's not necessary for everyone else.

    b. Hardware and software - many permutations of hardware, many install combos of software. Unfortunately, some affect MC.

    For example, regarding memory usage, Media Composer never uses more than 8 GB of RAM on my machine (Sidebar: I have 48 GB total). However, if you have any Adobe apps open at the same time, and you haven't specifically told After Effects, "Hey, you only get 16 GB of RAM," it'll happily eat all your RAM. That's AE, Photoshop, or Illustrator. And if you're using a plugin in AE (Red Giant, Video Copilot, etc.), that RAM is consumed even faster.

    Granted I'm on CS6. Maybe Adobe solved that in its current CC. Nevertheless, it's another potential gotcha.

    2. People hate to read. I'm not saying it's light reading, but every version's README, WHAT'S NEW, and pinned post becomes part of my decision-making process whenever Avid releases a new version of MC. All the info's there.

    3. The unknown - there are three tweaks I make after each MC installation:
    a. Remove OpenIO_VirtIO.acf.
    b. Modify Audio Settings to support Fast Scrub, or disable Fast Scrub.
    c. Pre-MC 8.x - disable App Nap on Media Composer.

    All of these were born of real world failure. For example, I only started removing OpenIO_VirtIO.acf after clear evidence that it inhibits system performance. And this after finding out on my own that Avid started including it in builds beyond 7.0.4.2.

    Which leads me to...

    4. Avid must think:
    a. Users are techie enough to deploy and use Media Composer.
    b. Users aren't techie enough, but have the desire to learn.
    c. Users can afford to hire someone to help them.

    The reality is: most people don't care. They don't care about codecs, frame sizes, or frame rates. They wanna tell their story. MC can do that, but only after you come to grips with a bunch of tech stuff first.

    I think it's cool. I like learning. But if you've ever tried to talk to 99% of the human population about this, their eyes glaze over. And some of those 99% are Avid users.

    I've become the resident Avid expert, but that's not why I was hired. My boss had trouble with Media Composer, or MCXpress NT, and I was the IT guy.

    So:

    Jayson:
    Has Avid code grown so unstable that's it's become this late game Jenga statue that needs all the help it can get to stand up straight these days? It feels that way to me.

    I don't work for Avid, but it sure looks that way to me too.

    Example: AMA? Total mess. As you've seen, you have to transcode or you get bit in the end. (And background transcode? Don't even bother.)

    Another Example: media management. I know that means different things to different people, but to me it means, "Doing everything an app like MDV can do." Avid users have been begging for clearer, simpler media management for years. Now it's here with MDVx. (Tangential, perhaps, but still...)

     

    In the spirit of solutions:

    1. Is your hardware qualified?

    2. What OS X MC combos have you tried? You mentioned MC versions, but not OS X.

    3. Here are the two stable combos I've experienced:

    • OS X 10.10.5 + MC 8.4.4 - most recent stable combo with newest feature set
    (8.4.5 mainly benefits Avid Artist users.)

    • OS X 10.10.2 + MC 8.3.1 - most stable combo

    • OS X 10.9.5 + MC 8.3.1 - also a stable combo

    4. Once you find your stable OS X + MC combo, stay there. Then weigh out your next update as outlined above. Or find your own way. Just don't be too eager to install the newest version of MC and OS X.

    5. 

    Jayson:
    8.4.5 - After about a week of usage the timeline bogs down eventually slows to a crawl so every move of the timebar stalls the system for 5 to 15 seconds. Only way to fix is to install 8.5.3 and work on the project till the memory leak rears it's ugly head then reinstall 8.4.5 to export.

    So you're doing H.264 exports from MC? Don't. Export a QuickTime Reference or QuickTime Movie, then use MPEG Streamclip, Compressor, or Sorenson Squeeze.

    Thanks for reading!

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  • Wed, Jun 22 2016 3:41 PM In reply to

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    Interesting post.

    In my experience, the key to Avid stability is simplicity. Less is more.

    My machines have several partitions and one is dedicated to Avid. I'm currently running 8.5.3 on 10.10.5 and it's a great combo. I love some of the new features like the redesigned "arrow" modes and I find it pretty snappy and fast.

    What do I mean by "simplicity"? The Avid partition only has Media Composer and a few necessary apps - Handbrake for encoding, MPEGStreamclip for converting. If I need another app (Photoshop, etc), I reboot onto the other partition. The less stuff that can interfere with an Avid install is out. And when I update the OS (I stayed on 10.8 for a long time, I loved it), I wipe the drive and do a complete reinstall of the System.

    The other key secret to Stability is to learn to cut without Caps locked. I only lock it occasionaly, when I need to find a specific audio "frame" - and most of the time, I do it with the manual Caps. I was taught that trick a decade ago, and once you're used to cutting without it, it's better for everybody and everything: your ears, the rythm of your cuts, even the director next to you will be thankfull that you don't kill his ears with scrubing all day.

    Sad side note, Avid is less stable if you're using 3rd party hardware. I ended up picking a second hand DX and it's been rock solid since.

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  • Wed, Jun 22 2016 3:51 PM In reply to

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    Very helpful post Isaquit0. This community is very generous.

    I too have been somewhat frustrated with Avid over the last five years rolling out buggy releases. I often feel like I trade one bug for another after every upgrade. And I'm not sure I'll ever quite forgive Avid for overhauling the control-key modifier in MC5 (lasso trimming still doesn't work right), or for giving us microscopic mute and solo buttons in that release too.

    That said, and for what it's worth, I am finding 8.5.3 to be pretty responisve and stable on OS 10.9.5. Avid finally fixed audio pops in unrendered dissolves which was a huge step backwards starting in MC7. The only major problem I'm now having is the AFIFO_TAKE_UNDERRUN bug which is a pretty big pain, but rendering audio dissolves usually solves it. Several of us have been working with Avid directly to get this dealt with.

    I don't experience memory leaks, which could be frustrating for Jayson, but could also give him some hope. Follow Isaquit0's advice: pay close attention to approved hardware, read these forums regularly, be very careful before upgrading your OS.

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  • Wed, Jun 22 2016 4:50 PM In reply to

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    Hey Brian,

    Actually I was thinking of some of your posts on 4.0.5's stability when I wrote this! Between you and DJFio[DB]'s recommendations, I might try 8.5.3 after this next project. Thanks man.

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  • Thu, Jun 23 2016 5:28 AM In reply to

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    Thx for the thoughtful reply Isoquit0. The community here has also been another part of what's great about Avid. Yeah I empathise with the Avid engineers I imagine they had a long term game plan in place before all the "make it like premiere" requests came across their desk and trying to satisfy all those requests has grown MC 8+ into the beast it is today. 

    At the moment, I'm on OSx 10.5.5 and MC 8.4.5 on a late 2013 27" IMac with 32gb Ram and 4gb of Vram (GeForce GTX 780M) looks like this particular model is not on the qualified list as the lesser spec iMac from that same year is though. Which I did have for the last year but sold it a few weeks ago and it wasn't noticeably more stable.

    I'll try MC 8.4.4 next reinstall. And yeah I'm all over those readme's when they come out as there's usually a few bugs I'm always looking to get fixed in each release. The problem is I've never come across a rock solid OSx and MC combination so I'm always looking to upgrade (I'm still waiting for a fix for the audio plug-in's window to quit randomly disappearing on me, and for my windows to not jump screens switching between CC and Source/Monitor every time I reopen avid.)

    And Thx for the new install tips! And stable combo recomendations!

    As for the memory leak in 8.5.3, I have tried an export after a reboot with only Avid MC open and the leak persists. What happens is the render gets about 35% of the way and then the console starts throwing a memory error and then I can watch the memory usage grow in the activity monitor, saw it grow to 65gb's at one point and I only have 32gbs.

    Luckily, I don't have any problems exporting h.264's from MC except in 8.5.3 with the memory leak. I did have problems exporting h.264's from my Mac Pro trash can because of the server chips I mentioned.

    But it's things like that, how rendering an h.264 out of Avid isn't recommended, or how I can't get realtime playback of a lower third without doing a mixdown or like you said how something like MDVx seems to be a no brainer essential tool needed for easy media management and it just wouldn't exist on a mac without the developer writing it last month. It's things like this that make me think the Avid MC ship is out to sea without a captain. 

    I'm on the ground in L.A. and I don't see any emerging companies using Avid. The new media companies I work for all use premiere and a few use FCPx. One of the places that I work at used to be an all Avid political commercial house is now all premiere. I'm the one guy in the building saying hey why not Avid but the only people that are interested are the ones looking to find a job in TV. Which seems to be the last strong hold for Avid. As I hear more and more stories of films moving to premiere.

    Anyway, I'm going to try moving my show back to premiere for now. Last night, I did a trial run moving one of my edits out of avid, into after effects and then into premiere which was shockingly painless. Compared to trying to go from Avid to premiere. And for some reason when bringing an AAF into After Effects it only works when I drag it into the project window, right clicking and choosing import leads to an endless list of errors.

    Anyway after getting my Avid cut up and running in premiere, it was pretty great. For the first time in a month I was enjoying editing. I was working on a short film I wrote and directed. Shot it in 4k DNxHD and just haven't been motivated to edit it with all the problems I had been having with Avid. But I actually got some momentem going working with it last night in Premiere.

    In premiere, it plays back in real time. I press play and the bar moves forward the same instant. The 4k looks amazing compared to whatever sub resolution trick that Avid does to the 4k in the source monitor. The responsiveness of the timeline was great click on a clip and it gets selected without the 1/2 second delay in Avid. It's so much more intuitive. Want to overlay a clip on another clip, just scale it down to 50% no need to hunt for the picture in picture effect and then the effect editor. And I haven't done an edit in premiere in I don't know how long atleast 4 to 8 months. But since I have the same keyboard shortcuts set up in both programs it was pretty much a seamless transition. 

    Oh and the title tool compared to that damned NewBlue devil tool that is the most counter intuitive piece of software I've ever had to use and I even upgraded it to 4.0 so I could have those bleeding edge new features like horizontal align ;) I mean so far there hasn't been a moment where I'm like man wish I was back in Avid. The amount of things that come free in Adobe that I have had to pay for inferior solutions for in Avid makes me wonder why I've stayed away so long. The NewBlue Stabilizer I bought is junk compared to the Adobe Warp Stabilizer. I've had to buy two Audio monitoring plug-ins both of which suffers from the disappearing audio plugin window bug I've waited for three 8.x releases to get fixed, meanwhile adobe comes free with one of the versions I paid for in Avid and it's bug free in premiere. Oh wait there is something I would absolutely miss leaving Avid, Symphony, I love Symphony. It is the one thing in Avid that really does feel like the best implementation of a tool I've seen. Whoever at Avid designed Symphony needs to be team lead on a clean slate ground up rewriting of a successor to MC. 

    Anyway I'm getting ahead of myself. I've had great days editing in Avid, like I said that first version of 8.5 was awesome for a few days. And I've had premiere add random red flashes to my entire show that kept me up till dawn trouble shooting to meet the satellite feed deadline but staying up till dawn to trouble shoot has pretty much been the norm for me the last few weeks so how much worse could it be.

    Anyway I'll let u know how it goes. And if there is a Captain at Avid that needs a man on the ground that's really rooting for Avid in the editing wars but is succumbing to the dark side feel free to reach out.

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  • Fri, Jul 22 2016 9:00 PM In reply to

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    I haven’t visited these forums for a long time (maybe 12 months) as I moved all my productions back to Premier Pro, I became feed up with Avid’s performance and constant buggy daily performance with basic editing tasks.

     

    With PP you can throw everything at this and it just plain works, day in, day out!  Doing the same with Avid MC is hopeless and actual costs more in wasted time which could be spent editing.

     

    It’s a shame really as I like Aivd, however on productions that need to be finalised with strict deadlines PP is the winner.

     

     

    My two cents worth:  Avid needs to re-write the program code/engine and release a new version that one can edit without all the issues in getting the program to function and also perform on par with their competitors.

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  • Fri, Jul 22 2016 9:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    Jayson,

     

    I'm based in Australia and I also see everyone here moving to PP, there are a few who use FCPX.

    I'm the only one that I know that still uses Avid and this is for my personal work where I’m not sharing projects between editors, when I’m collaborating with editors PP is what everyone is using.

     

    Interesting I think.

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    Jayson:

    In premiere, it plays back in real time. I press play and the bar moves forward the same instant. The 4k looks amazing compared to whatever sub resolution trick that Avid does to the 4k in the source monitor. The responsiveness of the timeline was great click on a clip and it gets selected without the 1/2 second delay in Avid. It's so much more intuitive. Want to overlay a clip on another clip, just scale it down to 50% no need to hunt for the picture in picture effect and then the effect editor. And I haven't done an edit in premiere in I don't know how long atleast 4 to 8 months. But since I have the same keyboard shortcuts set up in both programs it was pretty much a seamless transition.

    I won't be an Avid apologist here.  Just a question.  I seem to have a very different experience with the basics of Premiere.  I edit a lot with a variety of source size and frame rates.  I use AJA Kona 3G IO.  High speed raid and last generation Mac Pro towers.

    The basics of play, stop etc on both Rec and Source are great on MC.  In Premiere on the same system playback in the source window does odd things, audio drops in and out.  Aspect ratio can be weird.  Once cut into the Rec window things are ok.  Except for stop.  I press stop (space bar) and it is somewhere between 5 and 10 frames before it stops.  I feel like the old tape system was better!!

    Do you see stuff like this or is it just at our facility? 

    Thanks,

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  • Sat, Jul 23 2016 2:43 AM In reply to

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

    I run on two Mac systems, OSX El Capitian & Mountain Lion, performace is fantastic on both systems and can handle any footage that I throw at it, mind you I have yet to ingest 4K and edit.

    All my work goes out to Apple Pro Res then compressed to either Web formats or DVD.

     

     

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    Re: The Secret to a Stable Version of Avid

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