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  • Fri, Dec 13 2019 4:17 PM

    • dubitoff
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    New Mac Pro purchase...

    Does anyone else have an end of year decision to make? I'd really like to purchase a Mac Pro with 2019 money but have serious concerns about when I can actually use the hardware. Also, any suggestions as to which configuration are very welcome.

  • Fri, Dec 13 2019 5:02 PM In reply to

    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Buy an HP and be done with the headaches. 

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  • Fri, Dec 13 2019 5:23 PM In reply to

    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Said David Colantuoni on The Avid Editors of Facebook:

    Catalina support is scheduled for Jan. Working to get a final unit from Apple for final testing.

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  • Fri, Dec 13 2019 9:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    With the current state of Catalina, I would think long and hard about whether you will be able to run all the other tools you are used to being able to run.  Do you need specific drivers?  All kinds of questions.

    Very risky in my opinion.

    Jef

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  • Sat, Dec 14 2019 10:18 PM In reply to

    • Fish
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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Well, I can't wait any longer. My Westmere system is on its last legs. The new Mac Pro is scheduled to show up in 1 week. I'm starting cutting in Jan with MC software in Catalina wether its ready or not. I'm not sitting on a hot piece of gear waiting for all the companies to get their act toegther when I've been waiting for over 6 years to get a new system. I guess I'm an unofficial beta tester.

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  • Tue, Dec 17 2019 9:16 AM In reply to

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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    I've 4 Westmere systems that I want to replace in the next few months.

    Support for Catalina in january is perfect. But I wonder wich CPU to order.

    Can Media composer utilize 24, 16, 12 or 8 cores? And what about the graphics card?

     

     

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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Pol

    Do not know yet as our 2 on order are not at Avid yet....  Give us a few more weeks.

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  • Mon, Mar 2 2020 10:02 PM In reply to

    • Matt
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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Hi Mariana-

     

    I want to revive this thread. I need to putchase a new system... My 2010 silver tower finally stopped working reliably with MC. But I'd love to get some sort of official word on how much power I actually need:

     

    --How many cores?

    --How much memory?

    --Do the graphics cards matter at all?

     

    For my particular use, I don't do a lot of rendering, so that's not really an issue. What I care about most is MC feeling as fast and responsive as possible. Eliminating as much lag time after initiating operations, especially on large projects (I cut features, and MC has always slowed down the later in the process we got.)

    I also cut with waveforms, so speed around calculating and drawing those is valuable.

    So what kind of increases in performance will I actually be able to feel as I increase the cores?

    And how much memory will MC actually be able to take advantage of for cacheing? And as I increase memory, will I feel the performance increases less and less? Are there, in other words, diminishing returns?

     

    A buying guide explaining the ramifications of all these hardware choices would be AWESOME!

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  • Tue, Mar 3 2020 1:32 AM In reply to

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  • Tue, Mar 3 2020 2:49 AM In reply to

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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Cool thats some good info. But I still wonder:

     

    How does the difference between "Basic UHD" and "Best Performance" manifest itself? It it simply more realtime effects streams? Or do other operations slow down on the "Basic" system when it's heading with UHD? Like is there more lag time when trimming on the "Basic" system. 

     

    The memory section is good to help narrow down options. Does anyone know if you can actually feel the difference between 96GB and 192GB systems?

     

    Regarding the video cards, how does the difference between good, better, and best manifest itself?

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  • Tue, Mar 3 2020 3:17 PM In reply to

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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Hi Matt

    The current Mac Pro 2019 guide has 

    • Basic low cost HD editing for the 8 core
    • Basic UHD/4k 23.98 editing for the 16 core
    • Best performance for UHD/4k editing for the 28 core

    These are for real time playback and capture testing.  CPU count and speed also effect render times and responsiveness.

    MC does not use excessive amounts of memory.  The qualification list has this:

    Memory: (More is better – see Media Cache settings in MC)

    Ø  16 GB RAM minimum required to support Interplay or Media Central, background transcoding, Dynamic Media Folders, full-frame stereoscopic 3D, FrameFlex 4K workflows, Rawformat AMA plug-ins, Long GOP media editing, and other high-performance HD   workflows

    Ø  32+ GB RAM minimum required to support Media Composer |Cloud, UHD/4k/8k Media Editing and other high performance UHD workflows.

    Ø  8 GB RAM minimum for basic standalone MC with minimal effects (no interplay or Media Central) – SD/HD projects – not recommended 

    48 GB is the minimum amount for the new Mac Pro. That would be fine for todays MC.  Buy 96GB for MC future proof or if you are running other apps along with MC.

    Graphics – better cards have more onboard memory. That yields more effects off loaded to the GPUs so the CPUs can be doing other things.

    Hope that helps.

    Marianna

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  • Tue, Mar 3 2020 3:28 PM In reply to

    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Or go witrh the new 128 core AMD motherboards (PC) and leave that already superceded Mac behind :-)

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  • Tue, Mar 3 2020 5:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Marianna:

    CPU count and speed also effect render times and responsiveness.

     

    In terms of responsiveness, I'm most interested in responsiveness when initiating the play command, when previewing trims, and when loading a new sequence into a monitor. On the system I'm on now, for instance, when I load a new sequence and attempt to scrub around to locate a specific point in the sequence, there is noticeable lag for a bit. Then once the system has had a chance to "think" about the new sequence, and draw the audio waveforms, responsiveness returns to normal. So would the higher CPU count address this specific type of responsiveness? Or when you were talking about responsiveness were you meaning more about layered realtime effects, tons of video tracks, etc?

     

    Thanks!

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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Pat Horridge:

    Or go witrh the new 128 core AMD motherboards (PC) and leave that already superceded Mac behind :-)

    Yes, I did actually consider getting a PC. However, I hate windows and am completely unfamiliar with it, and I don't want to have to suffer through that experience, even a little bit.

     

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  • Mon, Jun 8 2020 1:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: New Mac Pro purchase...

    Matt

    How did you get on with your Mac Pro upgrade? I'm currently looking to do the same and any insight / experience  would be greatly appreciated.

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