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  • Thu, Mar 20 2008 9:26 PM In reply to

    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    The pages for the Europe store should all be fixed now. the Upgrade price should be is 500 Euros

    NL: EUR 2797 / 536, supposedly ex VAT

    Belgium: EUR 2844 / 545, supposedly ex VAT

    France: EUR 2811 / 539, supposedly ex VAT

    Germany: EUR 2350 / 450, supposedly ex VAT

    Two resellers in the Netherlands quote EUR 450 ex VAT for the upgrade, so the German store seems correct.

     

    Even if these prices are fixed, they are not 'fixed', if you catch my drift. ;-)

    I've been in contact with Marianna about these issues earlier, and I believe it is still being worked on, but it was reported that this may be delayed due to European Easter Holidays from this Friday to Monday. For now, I would recommend going to your local VAR, rather than ordering in the Avid online store. Probably this will be sorted out in the next week, though.

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  • Fri, Mar 21 2008 2:21 AM In reply to

    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Just a note regarding hardware (based on the earlier discussion regarding what systems MC will run on):

    According to the MC 2.8.1 readme:

    Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 2

    System memory
    - 2 GB minimum
    - 3 GB recommended for HD or high stream count SD projects, or for
    workgroup-connected systems
    • Dual 3.06 GHz Xeon® processor or higher
    • Qualified graphics board (NVIDIA® Quadro FX 1100, FX 1300, FX 1400, FX 3400,
    FX 3450, 3500)
    • IEEE-1394 FireWire port (integrated or add-in card)
    • 40-GB internal IDE drive
    • DVD-ROM or DVD+RW drive

    What intrigues me about this requirement is the notation of Xeon processors (as opposed to Core 2 Duos, or similar...which are actually in some qualified systems)...and the elimination of Quadro FX 5XX cards as a qualified graphics board (also noted in some qualified systems).

    These hardware requirements coupled with the current state of the Assurance positioning causes me to adopt a "wait and see" tactic on the upgrade.  Sounds like a nice upgrade until you take into account the new hardware costs.

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  • Fri, Mar 21 2008 2:09 PM In reply to

    • teddylevy
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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    If you're running a current version of Xpress  Pro, then MC should run just as well on your  system..

  • Fri, Mar 21 2008 2:34 PM In reply to

    • videoguy
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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Just a note on system compatability.  Your graphics card can make a very big difference in your overall performance and stability with Avid. While we have lots of customers using non-certified 3D graphic cards with Xpress Pro, we have found this to be problematic with Media COmposer. In fact, our top tech fix for customers with Media Composer issues is upgrading the graphic card to a Quadro FX 1400/1500/1700 or higher card. They will run you about $500, but worht every penny for stability and performance.

    We are in the process of reconfiguring our DIY6 machine (even before we get the first article out) to iincorporate the new Quadro FX 1700 card. We're doing this specifically becuase we feel it is the best choice for Media Composer. We'll also be installing a new G-Tech G-Speed Es external eSata solution into this machine.

    Gary


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  • Fri, Mar 21 2008 3:04 PM In reply to

    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    If you trust eBay, check there for the FX3500... that's where I got mine for around $500 and it made a big difference in performance for my system.


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  • Fri, Mar 21 2008 5:55 PM In reply to

    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    videoguy:

    While we have lots of customers using non-certified 3D graphic cards with Xpress Pro, we have found this to be problematic with Media COmposer. In fact, our top tech fix for customers with Media Composer issues is upgrading the graphic card to a Quadro FX 1400/1500/1700 or higher card.

    Unfortunately, this may be the cause of the end of my love-hate relationship with Avid editing applications.  Because I'm not a full-time editor, I tend to use my computer for a multi-purpose machine; having a Quadro FX card essentially destroys performance in every application except Avid.

    I've got the Adobe Master Collection anyway (for all the other applications, like Photoshop and After Effects); I might try Premiere Pro (Adobe qualifies the GeForce 8800 series, which is the video card I've got) and see how it goes.  I don't expect it to be a better application than Avid (in fact, I expect otherwise), but at least I won't be stuck in the constant Quadro rat race.

    After I experiment with that, we'll see if I should try the MC upgrade.

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  • Fri, Mar 21 2008 8:26 PM In reply to

    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    As much as respect Gary, there is really no need for Avid to use Quadro cards. Yes they are the ones qualified but that is because Avid only qualifies HP workstations.


    Avid stability is more about the right NVidia drivers and settings. With few exceptions, Avid does not care if you are running a Quadro FX1400 or GeForce 8800GT. I am running the latter on my home system.

    If you want to use none Quadro cards go right ahead but post and/or search the forums first to get feedback.



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  • Fri, Mar 21 2008 8:42 PM In reply to

    • videoguy
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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Dom,

    No argument about being able to use nVidia 3D cards with the right drivers. If you are willing to do the research, you will be just fine. Make sure you are running the specific drivers recommended by other users with successful systems.

    That said, Quadro FX cards are still a good choice. They cost a little more, but it's worth it for the stability.  We have found that MC is less forgiving then X Pro when it comes to graphics cards. I'm not saying you can't have a stable system without a Quadro.  I'm saying many folks run into stability / performance issues with MC that are graphics related. Using a Quadro FX card is the easiest solution for those who have stability issues caused by graphics issues.

    Bottom line is that MC Soft is a great upgrade. You may need to upgrade your graphics card and / or drivers. If this happens to you 1st step is to do research on the boards and knowledge base and see if the solution for you is just loading the right drivers. If it isn't you can either get a Quadro FX card or an nVidia 3D gaming card. If you get the gaming card, just make sure you do some more research and load the right drivers.

    Gary

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  • Fri, Mar 21 2008 9:19 PM In reply to

    • clockhart
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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Steeldestroyer:

    Unfortunately, this may be the cause of the end of my love-hate relationship with Avid editing applications.  Because I'm not a full-time editor, I tend to use my computer for a multi-purpose machine; having a Quadro FX card essentially destroys performance in every application except Avid.

    I've got the Adobe Master Collection anyway (for all the other applications, like Photoshop and After Effects); I might try Premiere Pro (Adobe qualifies the GeForce 8800 series, which is the video card I've got) and see how it goes.  I don't expect it to be a better application than Avid (in fact, I expect otherwise), but at least I won't be stuck in the constant Quadro rat race.

     

    After I experiment with that, we'll see if I should try the MC upgrade.

     

    What kind of performance issues are you having with the Quadro?  I use the Adobe collection with no problem at all.  I seldom use Premiere, but After Effects, Encore, and Photoshop get regular workouts.

    Chris

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  • Sat, Mar 22 2008 4:06 AM In reply to

    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    .- Quadros are not only supported, are recommended by any graphic application, including any of the ADOBE apps.

    They are not recommended for gaming though.

    But anyway, I totally agree with Dom. They are not indispensable.

    I use a Geforce and I have no problems or limitations AT ALL.

    Quadros are based on the same chipsets Geforce uses, they only have some features unlocked.

    In fact, you can convert some Geforces to Quadro.

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  • Sat, Mar 22 2008 4:51 AM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

     

     Okay, I've ordered my upgrade, but I'm concerned my graphics card won't make the cut. In fact, I'm still running 4.6 because I wasn't certain I could run 5.x effectively with a GeForce FX 5700.

    In the event it won't I'm considering getting a MacBook Pro (I need an editing laptop, I like the way it looks)

    So two questions.

    1) Any chance MC will run on my old PC workstation with the ancient graphics card? (Check my stats, Dual Xeon 3.07, 2gig of ram, but its an Asus PC-DL mobo, no way I can add a bigger graphics board.)

    2)If I get the Macbook Pro, and FLASH my dongle upgrade to MC, will it be backwards compatible if I leave AXP on the old PC? Could I move the dongle back and forth between MC on a Macbook and AXP on the old PC?

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  • Sat, Mar 22 2008 12:33 PM In reply to

    • fiendish
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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Changing certain geforce's to quadros is relatively straight forward with Riva Tuner

    http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163

    interesting how-to guide here

    http://www.sidefx.com/index.php?=&Itemid=172&option=com_forum&p=33734&page=viewtopic


    Curious what videoguy says about MC Soft being more picky about graphics cards. It was always my understanding that AXP was just MC soft with certain functionality locked out, meaning the equivalent point release (2.8 MC vs 5.8 AXP) would be identical in performance in both versions.


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  • Sat, Mar 22 2008 12:51 PM In reply to

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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Lancer:

     

    2)If I get the Macbook Pro, and FLASH my dongle upgrade to MC, will it be backwards compatible if I leave AXP on the old PC? Could I move the dongle back and forth between MC on a Macbook and AXP on the old PC?

     

    I received my MC upgrade yesterday and find after installing and performing the flash on the Avid dongle key that AXP still works on both of my systems along with the upgraded MC, though I will most likely remove AXP from my system and work only with MC.  

     

     

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  • Sat, Mar 22 2008 12:56 PM In reply to

    • Lancer
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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

     Okay, this confirms what I heard on another board. Good news. It means I can justify the Macbook Pro to the wife! (And still keep some functionality on my Workstation - untill I upgrade it later.)

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  • Sat, Mar 22 2008 1:28 PM In reply to

    • scocklin
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    Re: RIP Xpress Pro

    Lancer:
    It means I can justify the Macbook Pro to the wife!
     

    In the last month I've purchased the Adobe production Premium Suite (500.00 rebate if you own AXP), Adobe Captivate and MC. My wife is in-charge of the books for our company and I have now run out of justifications for any further purchases! If Avid makes any big announcements during NAB concerning hardware for MC I will need some suggestions as to the need for another purchase. I've already hinted that I may need to replace my current DNA (Mojo) hardware and have gotten that blank stare look.

     

     

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