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  • Fri, Oct 17 2008 4:08 PM

    • Euchrow
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    AAF Export from 24P project into ProTools

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    Hello there,

    I wonder if you could give me any help. We have trouble exporting an audio sequence from a 24P project into ProTools. Avid Version 2.6.4 PAL, ProTools 7.5.x

    So, basically we're soon starting the edit of a feature film, shot on 24fps 3perf 35mm. Sound was recorded on an 8 Track HD system. So the sound is delivered to me as a number of BWF's (25ND timecode).

    I digitized the footage in a 24P MXF project, using the DV25P 420 MXF codec. Sound was imported in PCM 24bit (since MXF can't work with WAV). The sound guy recorded a maximum of 8 tracks per shot on his HD system, but in the offline, I will mostly be using the first 2 (Boom + Temp mix), unless I need one of the wireless microphones that are on tracks 3-8. Of course, during the Sound Mix, the Pro Tools engineer will need to have access to all the available tracks. Now, our problem is that when I export the sequence as an AAF (including all available audio tracks), he has access to the tracks that I put in the timeline, but not to the others (not in his 'Region List' ) . We also tried exporting an EDL, convert this with Titan, but for one reason or another, the timecodes are shifted. This has probably something to do with 24fps, but before we explore this path, we first want to get the AAF option right.

     

    Our workflow:

    1/ After importing the sound, I duplicate the TapeID column (the filename, in this format: 01015T4.wav, meaning Scene10Shot15Take4) to the SoundRoll Column, and the StartTC (time of day) to the SoundTC column.

    2/ I made a Test Sequence of just a few shots, only including audio from the first 2 tracks of each clip. I copy this sequence to a new bin, and delete the video track.

    3/ I click on Set Bin Display under Bin, and select Show Referenced Files... This brings up a list of all audiotakes that make up the edit, including the unused audio tracks.

    4/ I select all these files, including the sequence, and export the whole lot as an AAF, with copy all Media enabled. The Media is stored in a folder. This will create a bunch of AAF's per audioclip (that can be deleted I suppose), an AAF of the sequence, and a new Avid Mediafiles folder

    So, when the SoundEngineer imports this AAF into ProTools, he only has access to the tracks that are in the edit, not to the others. They should appear in his Regions List, but they don't. But if I check in the Avid Mediafiles folder that I gave him (where the AAF links to), all tracks are definitely there.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated !!! Otherwise the only solution I see at the moment, is to manually edit the missing tracks into the timeline after the edit is done. Time consuming if you ask me :-)

     

    Thanks in advance,

    Alain, brussels, belgium

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  • Fri, Oct 17 2008 8:28 PM In reply to

    Re: AAF Export from 24P project into ProTools

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     Hi Alain, not sure if I understand the workflow correctly. Why would the non used clips be in the AAF of the sequence? Clicking bin display would not do dat? If I understand you correctly your audio engineer would have to import all the AAF's not only the one from the sequence.

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  • Sat, Oct 18 2008 2:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: AAF Export from 24P project into ProTools

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    Hey,

    What I mean by unused audiotracks. is the unused tracks (mostly the wireless mics on track 3-8) of a take that's in the edit.

    Maybe he can try to import the individual AAF of each soundfile. I'll check with him.

    thx

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  • Sat, Oct 18 2008 5:44 PM In reply to

    Re: AAF Export from 24P project into ProTools

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    Euchrow:
    Maybe he can try to import the individual AAF of each soundfile.
    I don't think so.

    The PT way to do it seems to be to have all (I reckon unconsolidated) media from the Avid, plus the original multitrack BWF files. Sound editors may then expand the tracks used in the edit with the tracks from the matching original BWFs. For features, I'd opt to do an external AAF, and supply the audio media separately, non-embedded. That also allows for easier changes along the way.

    I've never seen the Expand-thing in PT actually happen (never tried), so I can't comment on anything but the theory behind it. I believe it uses the original filename plus the amount-of-samples-from-filestart to conform the multitrack from the two-track. Hence my suspicion that you need to supply unconsolidated audio.

     

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  • Sat, Oct 18 2008 5:57 PM In reply to

    Re: AAF Export from 24P project into ProTools

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    Hi Alain,

    Please do not post the same issue twice.  Anyone who would like to help, please respond to this post:

    http://community.avid.com/forums/t/64434.aspx

    good luck,
    Carl

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