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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 3:53 AM In reply to

    • carlgmi
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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    Larry Rubin:

    It's not Carl vs Larry, it's Carl and Larry as a team vs 2 Liquid anti-keyboard mouse drag and droppers of your choice! One fall, winner takes all! Live on Pay-Per-View! A Vince McMahon production.

     

    Wow, and it will look a lot like "Street Countdown" from the IT Crowd - if you don't know it, google it up on YouTube!

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 10:26 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    RADIUS:
    I like MC, I would like more simple, fast (not only in rendering, especially in editing) and intuitive.
    I don't understand that comment, because I find MC highly intuitive.  But then I've been using it for over fifteen years.

    Or putting it another way, one man's intuitive is another's obscure.  If you try and drive MC the way that you do Liquid you'll be slow and you'll hate it.

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 10:35 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    Hello!

    Watch what is intuitive for example, do a freeze frame....

    Ciao.

     

     

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 10:51 AM In reply to

    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    Hi,

    RADIUS:
    Watch what is intuitive for example

    I believe the point John was making is intuitive is not an objective quality.  Just because making a freeze frame in Liquid is intuitive to you does not mean it is intuitive for the rest of the human race.  Each of us will judge intuitiveness differently.

    ciao,
    Carl 

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 10:53 AM In reply to

    • jwrl
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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    Exactly my point.  Thanks Carl.

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 10:56 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    How about easily changing track heights like other NLEs do?

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 11:06 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    camoscato:

    Hi,

    RADIUS:
    Watch what is intuitive for example

    I believe the point John was making is intuitive is not an objective quality.  Just because making a freeze frame in Liquid is intuitive to you does not mean it is intuitive for the rest of the human race.  Each of us will judge intuitiveness differently.

    ciao,
    Carl 

     

    Actually if MC had Liquids freeze frame option which only takes one click to do compared MC which I believe takes about 5 clicks i'm sure every MC editor would love it unless you're this guy(start watching at :50)

     

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 11:25 AM In reply to

    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    jiggyjay:
    Actually if MC had Liquids freeze frame option...

    Yeah, sorry, I forgot which thread I was on.  As it happens, I am privvy to some inside information that I am not able to disclose, but I'll reveal here if you guys promise it goes no further:  Right now Avid's Department of Intuitivness Engineering and Development (DIED) is teasing out the Liquid Intuitivity Engine™ (LIE™) and preparing to reengineer it for use in Media Composer in a new feature that will be called Accelerated Intuitivityness Architecture Nitris DsX™ (or AIANDsX™, pronounced "A I and sex").

    With AIANDsX™ enabled, the editor has only to think vaguely about what they want the sequence to look like, and AIANDsX™ - immediately and in real time - imports/captures footage from any format, assembles an asthetically pleasing finished sequence, plays it out to air, any tape format, DVD and BluRay simultaneously, buys lunch, calls a car service to get the editor a ride home, generates an invoice, sends it to the client, collects the money, and deposits it in the editor's bank account.  It is estimated that Media Composer's intuitiveness will increase by as much as 75%, depending on the local weather conditions and sea levels.

    Remember, I'm under several NDAs regarding the future development of Media Composer, and there's the forum rule against speculation that I'm breaking by telling you all this, so you have to double-pinky-swear™ you won't tell anybody.

    ciao,
    Carl 

    p.s. 

    jiggyjay:
    Liquids freeze frame option which only takes one click to do compared MC which I believe takes about 5 clicks

    That might be faster, but that's not the same as more intuitive.  (And MC takes 3 clicks to do a traditional freeze frame, but I can think of another way that only takes 2.) Stick out tongue

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 11:39 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    And see this is what I hate about Avid.  They're just not listening.  I've been asking for a coffee maker since at least version 1.0.  I'm sure that Editshare will have it working on Lightworks any day now.

    Then look out Avid!

    Seriously, comparing the ease of implementation of a given function on Liquid to the same function on MC is pointless.  Over my fifty years in this industry I've seen any amount of comparison tables between rival equipment.  They never prove anything.

    I'm sure that I can selectively single out functions in MC that are more difficult or impossible in Liquid.

    Jiggyjay, you obviously prefer Liquid.  Use it.  No-one is forcing you to use MC.  If you need a more recent editor, maybe Premiere or Vegas would meet your needs better.  There is a large number of NLEs available at reasonable prices.

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 11:53 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    To SOME of the Liquid Migrants

    These forums are for MC users.
    MC users who have questions, advice etc.

    These forums are about MC.

    In all honesty -  do you remember your days on the Pinnacle Liquid Forum. Do you remember the times that Pinnacle Studio Users popped in and started to ask for a "Dumbed down" version of Liquid, so that they could migrate "upwards"?? Do you remember the heated responses from the Liqid users?

    Well now the shoe is on the other foot. You have been welcomed and treated with respect when you arrived here.
    You will continue to be treated as equals and treated with respect even in the future. People around these forums are tolerant and understanding.
    Please reciprocate and show some good manners and start talking about using MC and not about how great Liquid WAS.
    Liquid is no longer EOL. Liquid is dead as a product. (I know it is still used by many many people - but it is dead)

    Regards,
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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 11:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    jwrl:
    No-one is forcing you to use MC

    Excellent point!

    Regards,
    Douglas

    PS. Before anyone replies to that - Remember Pinnacle (a subsidiary of Avid Technologies) killed Liquid. Pinnacle did not offer MC as an alternative. The section of Avid Technologies selling MC etc. did offer a nice upgrade path.

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 11:56 AM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    camoscato:

    Yeah, sorry, I forgot which thread I was on.  As it happens, I am privvy to some inside information that I am not able to disclose, but I'll reveal here if you guys promise it goes no further:  Right now Avid's Department of Intuitivness Engineering and Development (DIED) is teasing out the Liquid Intuitivity Engine™ (LIE™) and preparing to reengineer it for use in Media Composer in a new feature that will be called Accelerated Intuitivityness Architecture Nitris DsX™ (or AIANDsX™, pronounced "A I and sex").

    With AIANDsX™ enabled, the editor has only to think vaguely about what they want the sequence to look like, and AIANDsX™ - immediately and in real time - imports/captures footage from any format, assembles an asthetically pleasing finished sequence, plays it out to air, any tape format, DVD and BluRay simultaneously, buys lunch, calls a car service to get the editor a ride home, generates an invoice, sends it to the client, collects the money, and deposits it in the editor's bank account.  It is estimated that Media Composer's intuitiveness will increase by as much as 75%, depending on the local weather conditions and sea levels.

    Remember, I'm under several NDAs regarding the future development of Media Composer, and there's the forum rule against speculation that I'm breaking by telling you all this, so you have to double-pinky-swear™ you won't tell anybody.

    ciao,
    Carl 

     

     

    I doubt this is coming out on the next update.. I mean they can't even fix Smart Tool! I'm betting MC6 will have it though.. Wink But in all seriousness after using MC5 its really clear now why they are losing their user base to FCP and even Premiere now.. Those two NLEs are just much simpler and cheaper! For $2400 you can get a copy of  Adobe Production Suite which includes Premiere, After Effects(Industry Standard in Effects), Photoshop, Encore, Illustrator etc and Final Cu Studio 3! I'm just glad I didn't have to pay full price for MC! Thanks Avid!

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 12:00 PM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    jwrl:
    Jiggyjay, you obviously prefer Liquid.  Use it.  No-one is forcing you to use MC.

     

    Oh I know but I did invest in it.. Don't mind me bro i'm just in that learning pains.. I know MC5 is a great NLE and I will learn and master it and will grow to love it! Just venting some frustrations I guess.. Just like the 20+ page of complaints MC users had on that other thread.. I consider myself an MC user now and again is just venting.. 

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 12:41 PM In reply to

    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    camoscato:

    Remember, I'm under several NDAs regarding the future development of Media Composer, and there's the forum rule against speculation that I'm breaking by telling you all this, so you have to double-pinky-swear™ you won't tell anybody.

    Oh, Carl...I think we'll have to place you on double secret probation for that!!Wink

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  • Mon, Feb 14 2011 1:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: MC5 is a Ferrari

    jiggyjay:

    I consider myself an MC user now and again is just venting.. 

     

    jiggyjay:

     

     

     

    camoscato: I'm now going to step out of this thread so you guys can argue about the history of Liquid for the next 20 or 30 pages.

     

    That is my goal!Big Smile

     

    Yes, we have seen what you mean

    http://community.avid.com/forums/t/93575.aspx?PageIndex=2

     

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